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戴上(智能)戒指:Movano 谈为何其健康可穿戴设备将女性放在首位

Posted on 2023-01-31

Movano Health凭借专为女性设计的 ouroboros 式智能戒指在 CES 上大放异彩。

在拥挤的健身可穿戴设备领域,Apple Watch 的主流重量级人物引领着一条很长的尾巴,通常价格较低和/或更专业的活动跟踪手镯和手环都渴望拥有自己的数据生成皮肤补丁,具有讽刺意味的是,在市场运行的这一点上,差异化意味着设计一种产品以“瞄准”大约一半的人口——正如我的同事,TC 的硬件编辑 Brian Heater,最后冷淡地观察了 Movano 对一款名为“Evie”的智能戒指的宣传月。

但是,就实用性和设计而言,专为女性设计的可穿戴设备究竟意味着什么? TechCrunch 与 Movano Health 的首席执行官兼董事 John Mastrototaro 进行了交谈,以了解即将推出的智能戒指的内部轨道,并深入研究其更广泛的路线图,因为它致力于建立一家以女性为出发点的医疗设备公司。

Movano 正在通过申请 FDA 批准智能戒指开箱即用的两个指标来启动商业前发布:心率和 SPO2(又名血氧水平)——它说它想要戒指在这两个监管复选标记到位的情况下启动 – 但在“待办事项”名单上还有更多。

包括——在线下——将(非侵入性)血糖监测添加到组合中的目标。 (其新颖的传感技术目前仍处于原型阶段,但 Mastrototaro 向我们展示了集成射频芯片和目前正在为此测试的腕戴式原型。)

Movano 的新款智能戒指专注于女性健康

关于“女性智能戒指”的第一代——它将跟踪十几个指标,并提供以女性为中心的功能,如月经周期和情绪跟踪,支持更年期症状,以及更常规的可穿戴设备,如活动跟踪—— Mastrototaro 说他希望他们能够在今年年中左右在美国推出它。

目标客户将是 30 多岁及以上的女性。虽然戒指的价格点将“远低于”300 美元(而且 – 令人耳目一新 – 没有订阅)。与Oura 智能戒指相比,该定价看起来已经具有竞争力——Oura 智能戒指目前是美国手指式可穿戴设备的主要竞争对手

Movano’s 还做出了其他一些明智的选择,以搭配低价标签——包括开放式设计,即使手指稍微膨胀也不会夹到手指;便携式充电盒,可确保戒指安全并在旅途中充电;以及申请监管许可的重大战略决策,这意味着戒指可以作为医疗设备进行营销(区分),而大多数其他设备则不能。这当然是在嘈杂的消费者人群中脱颖而出的一种方式。

Mastrototaro 已经在医疗设备开发领域拥有很长的职业生涯,曾在多家公司工作,从事传感技术的临床研究和研发——包括在美敦力 (Medtronic),他领导的团队开发了第一个用于糖尿病管理的连续血糖监测仪 (CGM) 传感器.

这是值得注意的,因为近年来许多初创公司一直在利用 CGM 技术进行商业化——目的是将医疗级技术重新用于更普遍的消费者健身和/或保健/健康用例。 (包括,就印度的 Ultrahuman 而言,将 CGM 技术与智能戒指相结合,以增强其“解码”用户新陈代谢健康的能力。)

Movano 正朝着相同的目标——鼓励更多人关注他们的血糖,以帮助他们优化生活方式选择并改善他们的整体健康结果——但它计划将该(未来)功能置于医疗设备公司的基础上,而不是在就像这些初创公司中的大多数一样,它来自纯粹的“健康”或“健身”消费技术宣传。这可能会增加它在这里所做的任何推动的可信度。

此外,如上所述,它也希望在技术方面做出重大改变,因为它正在开发一种用于跟踪血糖变化的非侵入式射频传感器。

如果它能做到这一点,它就可以滑过 CGM 利基市场,并有机会向普通消费者开放强大的功能,否则他们不会为这种健康追踪而烦恼——正是因为它需要粘贴传感灯丝(或针)插入实际的肉中。而如果 Movano 的智能硬件可以通过(无痛)高频无线电让您了解血糖的高点和低点,这意味着可能会产生大规模的重大变革性健康影响。 (值得注意的是,长期以来一直有传言称苹果公司正在努力为 Apple Watch 添加非侵入式血糖跟踪功能,尽管它尚未将此类技术推向其普通消费者的市场。但对此类功能的关注凸显了这一概念的重要性是珍贵的。)

除了 FDA 批准的指标(假设 Movano 确实获得了这些许可)外,硬件的可信度将首先被推销给高度挑剔的消费者(即女性),该公司将自己打扮成医疗设备制造商是明智的定位,因为它将业务设置为也能够将硬件销售到 b2b 市场。

Per Mastrototaro,这里的目标是达到一个位置,例如,它的智能环可以作为一种预防性健康设备由保险支付者报销——所以从一开始的目标就是扩大直接面向消费者的硬件业务.

随着美国和其他地区对医疗保健系统的需求不断增加,这看起来像是另一个明智的赌注。当然,不难想象过度紧张的医疗服务很可能(也)最终热衷于消费者友好型医疗级设备——他们可以为患者提供家庭监控设备,在所谓的“虚拟病房”上,作为一种更便宜的方式为需要更密切护理的人腾出医院床位。

这个已经部分形成的未来正是 Movano 为其可穿戴业务定位的目标。

而且,在你问之前,它的路线图上确实有男人。 Mastrototaro 表示,最终的目标是——简单地说——成为每个人的设备制造商。

但它的首要任务是,当它注视着可穿戴设备领域的无数参与者——一些光鲜亮丽,另一些则更衣衫褴褛——是找到一种方法来介入。还有什么比记住大约一半的人口更好的方法呢?大多数设备制造商只是事后才考虑。这不是火箭科学的家伙。

我们与 Movano Health 的首席执行官兼董事 John Mastrototaro 的完整问答如下。为了清晰和长度,对访谈进行了轻微编辑。

TechCrunch:为什么女性需要一款专用的可穿戴设备?那么,您的硬件将能够跟踪和提供哪些其他智能戒指或可穿戴设备无法提供的女性信息?

Mastrototaro:这是一个很好的问题。我的意思是,首先,作为一家公司,我们的目标是赋权和激励女性更积极地控制自己的健康,过上更快乐、更健康、更平衡的生活。我们要做到这一点的方法是监测一组全面的健康指标:心率、心率变异性、SPO2、呼吸率、温度、步数、活动、卡路里、燃烧、睡眠、睡眠阶段,以及当然,月经周期跟踪以及其他一些与更年期相关的事情,有助于跟踪她们可能出现的任何症状,包括她们的月经周期以及她们何时变老并进入更年期生活。

当我们开始研究当今市场上现有的可穿戴设备时,我们发现的一件事是两件事:第一,它们都不是医疗设备——我稍后会谈谈为什么要成为一家医疗设备公司对我们来说真的很重要,而且我们认为对消费者也很重要——其次,女性在可穿戴设备市场上似乎得不到充分的服务。大多数可穿戴设备看起来最初都是为男性设计的。它们有点厚实、笨重,通常采用男性外观的颜色——然后,他们会稍微改变一下,然后说,女士们,你知道,给你,这是女性版本。

我们与 1,000 多名女性进行了交谈,并询问她们随着年龄的增长以及与健康相关的重要因素。我们发现,虽然他们想像这样使用可穿戴产品,但他们通常不会[使用它们],或者他们只在部分时间使用[它们],因为现有设备存在一些他们不使用的缺点。并不真正关注女性的需求。因此,我们真正关注[女性]希望在健康可穿戴设备中看到什么。对他们来说非常重要的一件事是我们提供的数据的准确性,以及帮助他们通过他们的周期了解他们的身体,以及他们健康的各个方面如何受到影响,并帮助他们随着她们进入更年期。

一项调查表明,92% 的女性对更年期毫无准备。而且,正如我们所知,100% 的女性都会经历这一人生阶段。因此,我们还希望随着年龄的增长为女性提供资源和帮助——不仅仅是健康指标,而是将其提炼为对她们和她们的健康意味着什么。

那么问题是你如何使用这个硬件来做到这一点?那么,您是否能够进行月经跟踪,例如通过跟踪体温?硬件如何使您能够为女性提供这种额外的实用层?

当然,硬件确实提供了该实用程序。是的,通过监测他们整个月的体温以及他们的心率,我们可以跟踪和预测月经即将开始的时间。所以这肯定是我们正在做的事情的一方面。但除此之外,我们要做的很多事情就是询问女性的感受,以及她们的健康目标是什么——因为每个人都是独一无二的,人们开展活动的方式也是独一无二的。不是每个人每天都走 10,000 步……有些人可能更喜欢游泳,或者他们可能更喜欢骑自行车。不管是什么情况。我们想确保我们正在收集有关他们的活动和燃烧的卡路里的数据,以便他们理解这一点——并且还对相关性做了大量工作。

对我们来说非常重要的一件事是关联一件事如何影响另一件事。例如,如果一位女性在一个月的某个时间出现头痛,或者她开始出现与更年期有关的第一次潮热,我们想帮助解释活动水平——以及活动强度——她们的睡眠时间等可能会如何影响影响这些事件发生的可能性。或者他们可以做些什么来尝试降低事件发生的频率或降低事件的严重性。所以很多都直接与跟踪指标有关。但我们也考虑了应用程序和用户之间的个性化沟通。

如您所知,历史上女性健康的研究非常少。所以接下来的问题是,好吧,您将从用户那里获取数据,并希望使用这些数据来发现这些模式——但是您可以在一开始就提供这个实用程序吗?或者这是用户在构建数据以获取模式并找出相关性时必须与您一起进行的一种旅程?

两者都有一点。我们正在与女性医学专家签约。例如,我们正在与一位女性睡眠专家的女医生合作。我们正在与一位更年期专家的女医生合作。在女性的健康之旅中,我们正在与不同学科的女医生合作。因此,当女性可能正在经历她们生命中的一种症状或阶段时,我们可以提供一些专家支持,通过罐头消息,这就是为什么会发生,这就是为什么你不应该担心的事情。这是衰老过程的一部分。这里有一些关于如何管理它的提示。但除了最初这样做,你是对的——随着时间的推移,我们将为许多、许多 1000 名女性建立一个所有这些的数据库,我们可以挖掘和利用这些数据来帮助我们了解很少可能对一个人群比对另一个人群更有效的技巧。

我们将通过我们的应用程序体验提供的另一件事是社区。许多女性告诉我们,她们喜欢彼此分享。因此,我们还将为女性提供点对点、交流和说‘嘿,我对此有疑问’的能力。以前有没有人经历过这种情况,你能给我提供什么见解吗?’。然后我们将允许女性彼此交谈,分享。因为这是一些女性告诉我们对她们很重要的事情。

那么用户体验会是什么——告诉我用户将如何使用和体验硬件和应用程序。还有这个社区元素。这一切将如何融合在一起?

是的,这是一个很好的问题。实际上,您刚才提到的三件事是我们产品最重要的支柱。所以让我先从戒指开始,戒指的设计——甚至是戒指的充电。因为我们在做这件事的时候确实考虑到了女性。所以戒指……你可以看到它是一个开放式设计。这对我们很重要,因为它有一点贡献。它有一点发挥作用。因此,如果您的手指碰巧在一天中的某个时间、某个月或其他什么时间肿胀,它就会有一点点肿胀。当我们在 CES 上时,许多媒体人都来了……例如,有几个人戴着 Oura 戒指。他们戴着我们的戒指。他们真的很喜欢它在手指上的感觉。他们喜欢它在手指上的样子。因此,甚至戒指本身的设计也涉及很多。

[我们] 非常感兴趣的第二件事是充电盒。充电盒看起来像一个小巧的设备。然后将戒指滑入其中即可充电。你现在可以看到它 [in the case] 正在闪烁,它正在充电。因此,女士们喜欢它的便携性,因为您可以将它放在钱包里,随身携带去旅行。这款充电盒可为戒指充电 10 次。戒指需要每三到四天充电一次。因此,如果您要外出旅行或几周,它有点像您的 AirPods 类型的设备。无论您走到哪里,都可以随身携带这个小型充电器。当需要充电时,它将每三到四天为戒指充电一次。然后这个充电器显然可以通过插入插座定期充电。但在那段时间之间,你得到了便携性——所以很多女性都喜欢它,因为许多带有可穿戴设备的充电器必须插入电源才能为设备充电。而我们没有。因此,这些是与 [对我们] 很重要的硬件相关的几件事。

您询问了应用体验。此应用专为女性设计。我们让它变得更加平易近人 – 带有一种包含每天关键信息的仪表板。它允许女性潜入自己的身体。基本上有一个“我的身体”主屏幕可供他们浏览。我们正在尝试采用一种非常全面且不引人注目的方法来设定目标,让他们可以选择一些他们想要实现的目标。我们可以帮助他们追踪。我们也确实在关注“身心”。我们将监测情绪——以及他们的感受……你内心的感受与你身体的实际运作方式之间存在着密切的关系。所以这对我们也非常重要。

最后,今天很多可穿戴设备的消费者会查看当前应用程序提供的所有这些趋势图,他们会想,这是好事还是坏事?我不知道这一切意味着什么。因此,我们正在努力做的部分工作是将所有这些提炼成见解,帮助真正让女性安心,并帮助她们了解自己的总体健康状况。时不时地给他们一点智慧或洞察力,他们可以用它们来更积极地控制自己的生活方式。

我已经谈到了这些来自医学界以及同行社区的专家顾问的值得信赖的资源。因此,这是我们想要提供的应用程序体验的另一个元素。所以如果一个女人在更年期经历了她的第一次潮热,我们有一个非常简单的方法,他们可以点击屏幕上的小按钮来表示他们经历了某个事件,然后我们可以向他们提供信息。例如,嘿,我们知道你刚刚经历了第一次潮热,这就是它发生的原因,这是正常的,作为衰老的一部分,它会发生在每个女人身上。这就是它发生的原因。这里有一些您可以尝试的技巧,它们可以帮助您解决这个问题,或者可能会遇到更少的严重程度较低的事件。

这就是……我们试图用三个核心要素来做的事情:将硬件重点放在女性身上,将应用程序和洞察力重点放在女性和女性的需求上。然后,最后,社区——成为值得信赖的资源。如果你上网寻找某个特定问题的解决方案,那里有成千上万的评论,其中大部分是彼此相反的。这就像我真的应该做什么?我们希望为女性提供完整、全面、值得信赖的资源。

戒指还能自动检测潮热吗?您是否能够接收到温度变化事件,比如在晚上——这样您就可以部分地自动化一些跟踪(相对于女性需要手动记录每个事件;相反,也许您可​​以发送一个推送通知,要求他们确认他们是否在某某时间有潮热)……

你知道这很有趣,因为从历史上看,我们没有对所有这些指标进行持续监控,然后我们可以将这些指标与发生的事件相关联。看到这些东西会非常令人兴奋……我是一名拥有 30 年医疗设备经验的老手,所以我会给你一些医疗设备的例子。很多人的心脏都有问题,称为心房颤动……当您的心脏开始颤动时。它实际上是你的心房,那是你心跳的颤动,有点疯狂。它速度更快,没有那么有节奏。举个例子,在这种情况下,我们可以做的一件事是因为我们全天都在跟踪他们的所有健康指标——显然,当发生这种情况时,我们会在心率中看到——但最重要的是我是很多人都有这个,它只是周期性地来来去去。我非常感兴趣的一件事是跟踪他们的健康指标(或他们的活动、睡眠或其他指标),然后尝试将其与他们生活中发生的这些事件之一的启动相关联。这样我们就可以随着时间的推移帮助他们说,嘿,你知道吗,我们注意到通常情况下,如果你有几天不太活跃而且睡眠不好,那通常是你然后发生这些事件之一。因此,我认为我们将了解导致的一些事情是什么——不是造成的,但可以说对事件的发生或不发生有一些影响。在某些方面,也许这就是原因。

我们可以查看事件之前发生的数据,然后尝试帮助人们随着时间的推移理解——你知道的,你应该避免在夜间进行真正剧烈的活动,这会妨碍你睡个好觉,然后你就会在这个事件中发生以早上为例。因此,我认为将会有很多这样的学习——既针对特定的人进行个性化学习,也基于人口——我们将能够更好地理解这将随着时间的推移帮助人们。而且我完全相信我们会发现,嘿,你知道,在你睡不好觉的晚上,你没有经常出去或做这个[活动],你更容易出现潮热。或者如果你的活动太剧烈那也不好……所以我真的很兴奋数据可以随着时间的推移向我们展示什么,因为没有人知道。

您是否觉得这款智能戒指会成为更受老年女性(例如围绝经期女性)欢迎的产品?据报道,定价约为 300 美元——所以对于年轻女性来说,这可能是一笔更多的支出。但我猜你也希望年轻女性成为用户?那么您的目标客户档案是什么?

在我们进行研究的过程中,我们基本上会见了 1000 名年龄在 30 至 70 岁之间的女性。所以,是的,我们所做的事情并没有太关注青少年和 20 多岁。那真的是 30 年代。所以我想说育龄后半段及以后是我们最初的重点。

我们对女性进行了全面的定价研究。我们最初考虑将其作为纯订阅模式推出。但我们与女性进行了交谈,大多数人说,你知道吗,我已经订阅疲劳了;就让我买下这东西吧。

我们知道今天的 Oura 戒指是目前市场上的主要戒指产品,目前售价为 350 美元到 550 美元,具体取决于戒指的颜色。事实上,在某些方面,我觉得女性受到的惩罚最大——因为最专为女性设计的戒指颜色是玫瑰金,而玫瑰金戒指售价 550 美元。此外,还有每月 6 美元的订阅费用。因此,当我们查看消费者的意见以及我们自己的定价联合分析时,我们决定每枚戒指的每一款颜色、尺寸都将以低于 300 美元的价格出售给每位女性。这并不意味着 299 美元——[它将] 远低于 300 美元的戒指。

因此,一方面,我们正在处理一项医疗设备索赔——我们即将在今年很快提交 FDA 的心率和 SPO2 许可申请,因为我们为此进行了关键的 FDA 试验,并且我们对结果感到非常兴奋;我们得到了惊人的准确性;我们的准确性,而且试验甚至比医院级脉搏血氧仪更好,所以这对我们来说是个好消息——所以,一方面,我们是一种医疗设备,但我们将在成本低于非医疗设备。这样做的部分原因是因为我们想尝试更广泛地利用这项技术,将它交到最需要它的人手中,帮助他们改善健康。

[而且]因为我们是一家医疗设备公司,我们在纯医疗保健领域也有巨大的机会。企业与企业之间。各大制药公司纷纷来找我们。主要医疗器械公司。综合医疗保健网络找到了我们——因为他们正在寻找可以作为其产品的一部分使用的医疗设备解决方案。例如,大型制药公司希望在特定药物的临床试验和上市后监测中使用这样的产品,他们希望看到一些与他们的健康相关的一般指标。因此,我们为他们提供全面的生命体征监测仪,这非常重要。有些公司为患有肺部相关问题、COPD、心力衰竭和 COVID 相关问题的人制造家用氧合器。当他们使用氧合器时,他们正在寻找可以监测家中氧气水平的东西。他们来找我们是因为我们有 SPO2 氧气监测,这将作为我们解决方案的一部分获得 FDA 批准。因此,纯医疗保健领域存在许多机会。正因为如此,我们也可以随着时间的推移寻求报销。

因此,我希望在某个时候,有人真的需要这个,在美国,付款人可以覆盖他们计划中的选民。他们知道谁是计划中的高危人群——我完全希望他们会戴上戒指,甚至可以访问数据以了解他们的健康状况。而且,我认为,提供保费折扣。甚至可以在某种程度上免费将其戴在手指上。因此,作为一种医疗设备,它让我们有机会寻求报销,当然也可以与健康计划和其他医疗保健相关实体合作。这在今天得到了证实。我们已经在今年第一季度与一家大型制药公司、一家大型医疗设备公司和一家综合医疗保健网络组织启动了数据评估,他们在第一季度试行和使用我们的环今年四分之一,目标是评估他们如何将其纳入他们的产品。

告诉我们您在 FDA 申请中具体申请的是什么?您希望什么时候获得这些许可?

我们将寻求 FDA 批准的前两个指标 [是] 心率和 SPO2。它们是许多中的第一个——我还将讨论呼吸率,如果你愿意,我们将讨论葡萄糖、血压。还有其他几个我们尚未讨论的指标,我们目前正在研究这些指标——但对于前两个指标,它是心率和 SPO2。

任何脉搏血氧仪还具有 FDA 对心率和 SPO2 的许可。所以这是一个 510K 的应用程序。 FDA 实际上有一份非常详细的指导文件,用于测量氧气的设备、他们需要进行的临床试验类型、他们希望从设备上看到的准确度水平、氧气水平的范围他们希望对产品进行全面评估,以验证它在广泛的氧气范围内是否准确。所以这一切都是预定的。

我们与美国加州大学旧金山分校 (UCSF) 的一家医院合作,他们在那里进行了大量此类研究。当他们进行研究时,参与者戴着我们的戒指,他们戴着指夹,医院等级系统,然后他们正在对受试者进行监测——所谓的动脉血气,这是金标准或最准确的氧气含量测量。这就是我们得到的比较:这种动脉血气测量。

我们的平均误差为 2.1%——而 FDA 要求误差在 4% 以内。所以我们完全符合 FDA 的准确性指南。作为旁注的重要事情之一是,我们必须对人们的各种肤色进行评估——从白皙皮肤到非常黑皮肤的人——我们的准确度与他们的肤色无关,这确实是一个对我们来说很重要的结果。实际上,它在有色人种中比最近写的很多关于脉搏血氧仪和类似东西如何为有色人种工作的文章更准确。所以这对我们来说也是一个非常好的结果。

因此,要获得 FDA 的许可,您必须将其作为 510K 提交。我们将在今年上半年的某个时候这样做——你不仅需要临床证据,这是真正最重要的部分,而且你还需要 FDA 的所有其他信息——数百份文件、任务和报告等——作为 510K 申请的一部分。所以我们现在正在努力将整个包放在一起。

一旦我们提交,我希望在三到四个月内获得许可。我在之前的一家公司做的最后几次 510Ks 也是在 COVID 之后开始的,一次用了 90 天,一次用了 108 天——所以我希望在三到四个月内我们能从我们归档。

如果我们准备好在清关前推出,我们可以将该产品作为健康设备推出。但是,在这一点上,看起来批准的时间和我们准备好发射的时间会很好地结合在一起——我们将在那时将它作为一种医疗设备发射。

这里需要考虑的另一个重要方面是女性的生殖健康如何在美国变得非常政治化。这意味着用户隐私和女性数据的更广泛安全性确实令人担忧。那么,您将如何确保女性——您的用户——可以放心地使用这样一种设备,该设备可以跟踪如此多的个人指标,并可以做一些事情,比如密切关注她们的月经周期,并可以用来推断关于她们的其他敏感健康信息。对于许多在美国运营的健康公司来说,这是一个非常复杂的问题……

这是。我很高兴你提出了这个问题。这是作为医疗设备公司的另一个优势。因此,很明显,FDA 有很多关于医疗设备和人们个人健康信息隐私的法规,以及 HIPAA 指南和标准,以确保数据安全。因此,因为我们是一家医疗设备公司,所以我们必须通过设计来做到这一点。

由于它涉及到美国的 Roe vs Wade 决定,女性可以放心,除非她们授权我们这样做,否则她们的数据不会与任何人共享——如果她们想与医生分享她们数据的摘要报告因为他们要进行年度访问,所以我们可以做到。但我们只会在他们授权的情况下这样做。 FDA 要求我们必须保护女性数据的隐私。所以我认为女性会信任它,因为我们是一家医疗设备公司。因为我们必须通过设计来做到这一点。这是 FDA 批准程序的一部分。

今天,有与文件数据库的网络安全评估相关的新法规。你必须有那个。这是我们提交给 FDA 文件的一部分,当我们把它放进去的时候。我们必须有我们的网络安全政策和由第三方完成的测试,以表明我们已经完成了渗透测试,并且正在做符合行业标准的事情,以确保我们正在保护人们的个人健康信息。因此,我们相信,因为我们是一家医疗设备公司,并且作为一家医疗设备公司和医疗实体,我们必须这样做,所以女性可以相信她们的数据在我们这里是安全的。

但是,如果您要从美国州检察官或执法部门那里获得传票或法律命令,以提供用户数据怎么办——您不一定会拒绝……

我相信当这种情况发生时,我们不会是他们第一个追逐的人。他们会追查直接治疗他们的医生或办公室,或者他们可能进行的任何程序,或者他们可能服用的药物和药片的处方者……他们会追查他们第一的。我们可能排在第三或第四位。

但是,如果我们在法律上有义务做某事,那么此时我们的律师就会参与其中。 And we’d have to make an assessment of what we have to do versus not. But we wouldn’t be the first folks they go after, quite frankly. It would be others before they get to us.

But it is something that we have talked about. And something that is very important to us. We have added many women in our leadership roles in a number of ways, both in terms of our strategy, of how to develop the product, in terms of our marketing to women, and gathering and research from women. Even our board of directors has two women — of the four external [directors], one who’s got a 30 year career in digital health and was at WebMD. She actually led the development of the symptom checker at WebMD… So we’ve got some experts, both related to female health, as well as even in the legal space to help us with exactly how we would address these issues. So I would say that it’s much more top of mind for us, because we are female-focused and because we are a medical device company.

But there could be a way to build this kind of a product where all of the data is locally processed and stays locally on the users’ own devices — and therefore in a way where you would not hold any of it so could not be forced to disclose any user data…

It would if you did that. The only challenge there, of course, as you know, as we spent a lot of time earlier talking about the data and tracking longitudinally what’s happening over time and by looking at population-level correlations we can help understand how to improve everyone’s health and learn what may effect what — the cause and effect. And so it would prohibit us from being able to do that. And, quite frankly, it would also prohibit us from improving the product.

As we collect data over time, we’re able to look at the data were collecting and understand better what we can do to improve upon it. So you’re right, that would be one way to literally not have the data that they were going to ask for — but then you don’t see it perform.

When we get it [user data], we do de-identify it for the purposes that we use. And so maybe there’s a firewall related to [certain types of requests for data]. And we certainly look at those types of opportunities to see what we can do to give women peace of mind. But I can tell you, at least at this juncture in the conversations we’ve had with women, the fact that we’re a medical device company, the fact that we have privacy standards and protocols, and all the rest, has been very important to them, and seems to give them peace of mind to know that their data will be protected.

Your consumer business model is to sell hardware — you’re not intending to generate revenue from a recurring subscription, as you mentioned. But some people might worry if there’s no subscription there’s no recurring revenue and maybe you’re going to need to monetize by selling the data or something? But that’s not what’s going on here, is it? You’re only going to use the data for product development and for research related to these potential correlations with implications for women’s health, and not for — I don’t know — handing to Facebook to target ads etc…

No, no, no, we can’t do that with what we’re collecting. That is not part of what we can do. We can’t personally identify anyone and target them with the data that we’re collecting. We can only use the de-identified data for our purposes of developing algorithms and whatnot. And so we can’t — we won’t and can’t — do any targeted advertising or those types of things. With any woman that is not how a medical device company would operate. That has not always been the case with consumer entities but as a med device company, we would be in violation of many regulations if we did that.

I would say that one of the most important reasons why we want to have access to the data — especially longitudinal data in the cloud — is to really track trends in a woman’s health over time. We want to understand if their health is improving, stable, getting a little worse.

For example, if a woman starts to exercise more actively, and we’re monitoring that, we may find that a resting heart rate starts to go down. We can actually correlate that lowering of the resting heart rate to maybe a reduction in their risk of getting Type Two diabetes or high blood pressure, as an example.

And so we want to point those things out to women. You know, a lot of women, they exercise because they believe that it helps them burn calories and keeps their weight down. But guess what, we’re likely going to show women that if they are exercising appropriately, they’re actually sleeping better on nights following days of exercise. And as they exercise more, their resting heart rate goes down, their risk of high blood pressure goes down, their risk of diabetes goes down, their heart rate variability goes up, which means their body’s in a better metabolic state. And so we can point out from their own data, how their health may be improving, or worsening. And if a woman starts to maybe have a mental health related issue or mood related issue, because we’re seeing changes in her activity, or sleep patterns, or a resting heart rate, we may just simply ask a woman how they’re feeling.他们怎么样了? We want to correlate their mental wellness, as well, to the data that we’re seeing — and even try to detect when there might be something going on in that capacity. And so really having access to this data, and looking at it over time, allows us to have a better experience for each women who’s using the platform.

When will the ring launch? And what about its positioning vs mainstream health wearables which are already popular with women — like the Apple Watch?

We’re looking around mid year-ish timeframe [to launch the ring in the US]. We’ve started to have more marketing materials go out. We’ve sent out a couple of newsletters — we had a recent one focused on women talking about women’s sleep — so we’re starting to get some marketing materials out into the space to understand the level of interest.

In the US, there are so many women who have written us and told us a little bit of their life story and told us about how they’re very thankful that someone’s finally developing something for specifically for them. They’ve worn Apple watches and other products. Apple Watch is phenomenal, it does everything. But that’s also its curse, because the fact that it does everything, you gotta recharge it every day.

And, actually, all of our core baseline metrics, we monitor at night when you’re sleeping. Because you’re in the same state night after night after night. So we can compare apples to apples, when we look at longitudinal trends. [Whereas] an Apple Watch is typically bedside — being charged every night. And many women have told us they can’t wear the Apple Watch to bed, it just gets in the way on their wrist.

We’ve also heard from a lot of women who said they like wearing their Apple Watch sometimes, and they’ll have that, but they would still buy a ring for their health related data — and use the Apple Watch for all the other stuff. So it’s interesting.

[A lot of women also told us] they really like something that is very unobtrusive and something that looks good on their finger. Over time, we may change the look of it a little bit — but we want it to be something that’s appealing to a woman where she likes wearing it as if it’s a piece of jewelry, never mind that it’s providing all this health related information at the same time. That’s important to them.

Men are going to be pretty jealous, aren’t they?

Well, our goal with this product is eventually we will serve everyone. But we felt like where other products seem to make the initial design for men — and women were an afterthought — in our case, we’re going to make men the afterthought and focus on women up front and really make the product for them.

Now there will be men who wear this product for sure. They won’t probably use the menstrual cycle tracking feature. But certainly the other [features] are all applicable and the app will fulfil the needs of a man — but it is truly designed with a woman in mind based upon the input that we received from over 1,000 women.

You’re going to launch it in the US. Is this a product you’re looking to launch outside the US in time, too? Or will you remain very much focused on the domestic market?

We’ve had a lot of conversations about that. Certainly, in my medical device experience and background at Medtronic — a very large med device company — we launched products all over the globe. And in this case, we do want to get beyond the US. To be quite frank, there’s certain markets that are English speaking, where it’s easier for us to launch a product that we have almost exactly as it is.

When you get into Europe, now with the new medical device directives, there as a med device you’ve got to translate into 24 languages, no matter what countries you want to launch in. And there’s a lot of new challenges for certain medical device companies. So, for us, we’ve got to assess the challenges of getting into those markets — or whether or not we launched it as a medical device in certain markets. We could always launch it as a ‘medical grade’ device or a wellness device. Yet it really is the medical side — we do have that opportunity to do that. So those are some of the things we’ll have to explore. But yeah, over time, we see we see this as a product where there’s a global need, quite frankly.

Everywhere the rates of diabetes and high blood pressure and other chronic conditions have been rising year after year. And, and I mean, we have a very grand mission of playing a small part in helping level that off and help bring it down over time by really helping people take more active control over their health and understand subtle changes they can make to avoid getting — or certainly delaying — getting diabetes and high blood pressure and other chronic conditions that develop as one ages. So we’re really excited about that opportunity. There’s a real need. And we think we can we can play a role in helping women to lead a healthier and more well balanced life — and then later on do the same for everyone.

Tell us a bit more about what else you’re developing — including for monitoring blood glucose non-invasively…

We have our own proprietary technology that we’re developing to use radio frequency [RF] to monitor blood pressure and glucose non-invasively. I spent most of my career developing the first continuous glucose monitoring system that was cleared by the FDA for people with diabetes back in 1999. I actually led the team that developed [that]. And I led the integration of that with an insulin pump and all these other things for people with diabetes.

But we now have this one little chip on this board — the chip is four millimeters by 6.7 millimeters — we could even put it in a ring if we wanted. But right now we’re using it in [a wrist-mounted prototype] band. We’re evaluating this RF. We’ve already run some clinical trials with bigger pieces of the system in the past — where it was much larger — but we developed our own integrated circuit chip. And we’re about to start our next round of blood pressure and glucose studies using that chip.

And then, beyond what we’re doing for that, there are three or four other female-related metrics that we’re not talking about at this point. But that we’re really interested in making the measurement of that will also help provide a more comprehensive look at at a woman’s health. So [we’re] very excited about our pipeline with other measures. And so — over the course of the next three to five years — I would hope to have somewhere between five and 10 different metrics or diagnoses that are all FDA cleared as part of the one device.

Another one we have mentioned are sleep disorders. So naturally, because overnight, we can monitor your heart rate, your oxygen levels, your breathing rate, etc — if you have a particular sleep disturbance, we may be able to diagnose that and we’ll be doing clinical trials this year to look at the accuracy of our device at detecting some of the sleep disorders.

Current-gen CGMs for monitoring blood glucose are semi invasive — but what you’re saying is you’ve developed a prototype that’s able to track glucose through the skin without any kind of invasive filament? Such a technology would of course be hugely revolutionary. Many people have been trying to do that for years…

As I said, I led the first minimally invasive CGM to get cleared in ’99. And I was in the space for about 25 years working on that. And so I saw a lot of companies come to us with different optical and other non-invasive techniques to try to measure glucose. It is not easy. That is an absolute.

The RF technology we’re using — and we’ve got asset protection on all of this as well — it is up at these really high frequencies and we are able to see, and we show this on the bench and we’ve seen it in some people with Type One diabetes, where we’re tracking the changes in their glucose levels [when] say they eat food or take their insulin — and, to be perfectly frank, in some people we get really nice tracking and others we don’t at this point.

We’ve used different systems before. They’re noisier. You have to have temperature control — like fans blowing on it to keep it cool. So this will be the first studies coming up where we have it all on this one chip. And by integrating it all together in one chip, we know already that we have higher fidelity signals. And then the question is can we get the data accurate enough?

The other thing I would say is that when the first CGM came out, their average errors were in the 20-plus percent range. And over 15 years, the sensors have gotten like below 10% average errors. And so they’ve improved over time. And they’re used primarily in people with Type One diabetes on insulin. Or maybe some people with Type Two who are also on insulin and intensively managed. We’re really focused on people with pre-diabetes, or Type Two diabetes on oral medications, to really help them understand how their lifestyle affects their glucose levels. And so I’m really looking for the ability to monitor trends in glucose levels over time.

For example, if we see a big excursion at one time of the day, maybe after a particular meal, we want to inform them of, hey, you know, not sure what you ate today at lunch, but try to avoid that particular thing, right, it’s not so great for your glucose. Or help them try to understand how if they get a little bit of activity through the day, when they eat some of their meals, they have much better glucose control than if they don’t, and how important even just getting out for a 10 or 15 minute walk could be to do this. So we’re thinking about those types of applications. Because these people aren’t on insulin. Even if you told them they had a high blood sugar they don’t know what to do with it — what it means to them. It’s not like they’re going to take another dose of their medication… So we want to be more informative — to help them understand how they can make very subtle changes in their lifestyle, whether it’s in the food they eat, or it’s a little bit about their activity, that can have a dramatic effect on keeping their blood sugar’s more normalized over time. And that’s that’s where we really want to go with this.

We’ll leave the CGMs, like I developed and the other ones related to Type One and insulin using people, where they need the numbers day in and day out and moment in and moment out. Because they may be dosing insulin or consuming something to correct the glucose level that they have. But for Type Two diabetes or prediabetes, which is the lion’s share of the market — you know, 90-plus percent of people are in those categories — that’s where we want to focus our energies to start.

And is the idea, ultimately, that your RF blood glucose tech could be compact enough to also fit on a ring? Or is this going to be a separate device?

We could either do it on the ring — the chip is small enough that it can fit in the ring. Most of our studies today, though, are done on the wrist. In fact, you can see I’m holding this [wrist-mounted prototype] device — so we would put this on the wrist. And we would use this for blood pressure and glucose monitoring. That’s where we’re going to start. And we will be using this in clinical trials shortly. This device, not only does it make the RF measurement… but it also has multiple optical sensors for the heart rate, SPO2, it’s got temperature sensing. Everything’s in this device. And so we’re gearing up for the studies right now.

So you’re going to be a medical device company with multiple devices — and/or increasingly multifunctional medical devices?

Yeah, that’s correct. You know, it’s like, certain big diagnostic systems in the hospitals monitor multiple analytes and measures? Well, we will be monitoring multiple measures with our device over time. With this [smart ring] right now, today, it’s going to have heart rate and SPO2. In the future we’ll turn on — well, respiration rates we’re monitoring but we won’t be filing for that one right out the gate. But that’s next. As well as then sleep disturbances. So the ring itself, in the first embodiment, can do four or five of the measures that we want to make. But then once we include the RF chip, and some of the others that we’ve got — actually, there’s another couple of chips in here that we’re not using yet for some of the other metrics I can’t talk about yet — but we’re able to collect data for those as well. So it’s very exciting. Because, over time, we feel like we can provide a real comprehensive view of one’s vital signs and their overall health with one device that they’re wearing in a very unobtrusive way.

Put a (smart) ring on it: Movano on why its health wearable will put women first by Natasha Lomas originally published on TechCrunch

原文: https://techcrunch.com/2023/01/30/evie-smart-ring-interview/

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